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trouve_search 1 days ago [-]
Does anyone here use Manus actively?
I found it worse than alternatives in the similar space (Claude, genspark, kagi research, etc.) and slightly baffling they were being acquired at a $2B valuation in the first place.
simonw 1 days ago [-]
ChatGPT Work and Claude Cowork (and OpenClaw) are established now - they weren't at all in December 2025 when Meta tried to buy Manus.
brazukadev 1 days ago [-]
In what bubble ChatGPT Work and Claude Cowork are established? I don't know anyone using it regularly and I'm in a bubble of people using lots of AI tools.
ghshephard 1 days ago [-]
Claude CoWork absolutely dominates - I use it continuously now when connecting to mail, calendar, jira, google docs - any type of knowledge work. Almost everyone I know (at work) who does "Knowledge work" type stuff (as opposed to coding) uses it as their primary pane-of-glass now.
I have 15+ years of top 1 percentile knowledge using awk to process complex unstructured documents - and I don't even bother anymore - just dump the dataset into CoWork and ask it to do the analysis, cross check its work.
I did it last night during a call for a reasonably complex 10,000 node cluster with all sorts of jobs/allocations/memory constraints. I didn't even attempt to throw together a quick awk script (which would have taken me 7-8 minutes - it was a beast) - just did a nomad-job-inspect of a couple hundred jobs, and dumped all the data at CoWork (real time, while talking on the zoom) and said, "Get me the Memory/CPU requirements based on job/datacenter/SKU constraints and give me a summary Table".
Any normal person would have take 3-4 hours, minimum - futzing with google sheets and such (lots of task/taskgroup independent counts). Even I would have taken a minimum of 10 minutes. Cowork had it for me in under 30 seconds - I didn't even have to really look away from the zoom.
I haven't use the Atlassian Jira interface to manage my sprints/issues in 6+ weeks. All that cognitive drain is gone - I just ask CoWork to update the sprints, link issues to change-notices, comment and change status, set epics, etc... Zero need to find the damn field in Jira.
CoWork is legit.
riddlemethat 22 hours ago [-]
Agreed. I split my work between Anthropic and OpenAI models but CoWork is deeply integrated into my workflows in compliance and project management. I can do more in a day with these tools than I did in a week before them and I have 20+ years of experience leading teams and building companies (even opened the NASDAQ once). It’s impossible to not be using these tools and still win in today’s world.
uniqueh4acker9 8 hours ago [-]
Out of curiosity - are you getting more work done in the same amount of time= Do you work less hours, equal or more? Do you felt or feel any exhaustion?
michelb 1 days ago [-]
Simular stories. I work in an L&D company with about 15 coworkers. I think most of us use Cowork/Chatgpt Work almost fulltime. Haven’t used Word or Excel in two months other than to check or correct a bit of formatting from the AI. We now also go straight from Cowork to our CMS for finalizing. Tremendous timesavers but also better integration through our MCP. (AI is used for ideation, information research and writing the first version based on our guidelines. We finalize and/or rewrite material in the CMS by hand. No AI to consumer without verification or editing)
vrighter 4 hours ago [-]
soon to be "had 15 years of top 1% knowledge"
Dayshine 1 days ago [-]
How much does it cost? ChatGPT costs ~$2 per message; if Anthropic have a similar pricing model don't you find lots of small changes and up fast?
lxgr 1 days ago [-]
> ChatGPT costs ~$2 per message
For what kind of message are you seeing that kind of charge?
This shows 10 credits per 5.6 Sol chat message, but the price for 100 credits I see on my (consumer) account is just $4. Are business credits vastly more expensive?
Computer0 22 hours ago [-]
$2 per message is certainly not my experience
simonw 1 days ago [-]
"ChatGPT costs ~$2 per message"?
Dayshine 11 hours ago [-]
Enterprise pricing: 10 credits per message if not "Instant". Our monthly charge for 30k credits makes that around $2.
I might be out by a factor of 2/3 (automatically applied promo deals/credits make it very hard to be sure), but we get 3k messages per month for a seat count of ~60, and finance are concerned about cost.
$2 is probably a good deal for the Extra High 8 minutes of agentic searching/coding/etc when it one-shots a whole project.
$2 is a terrible deal for a 5 second instant retrieval.
stronglikedan 22 hours ago [-]
It doesn't cost me anything. No idea how much it costs the company though. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
FooBarWidget 1 days ago [-]
How do you have any kind of trust in these tools? They always feel like one prompt injection away, or one over eager agent away ("I'll lookup a forgotten credential in an email to ssh into a server to hack a system in order to fulfill your request"), from disaster. I don't trust any AI session unless I carefully select the exact files they have access to. No way do I dare sharing my entire mailbox.
FooBarWidget 10 hours ago [-]
Very weird for this to be downvoted. It's a legitimate concern. It's also a legitimate question: where do you get your trust from? Do you have guardrails? Or is it really just blind trust?
brazukadev 3 hours ago [-]
> Very weird for this to be downvoted.
sama was the CEO of YC. OpenAI knows the value of influencing the sentiment here and then naturally its competition too.
mbrumlow 1 days ago [-]
I just do all that with Claude CLI :/
blahblaher 11 hours ago [-]
nice advertisement Claude..
smohare 23 hours ago [-]
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csallen 1 days ago [-]
> In what bubble ChatGPT Work and Claude Cowork are established? I don't know anyone using it regularly and I'm in a bubble of people using lots of AI tools.
I have lots of highly-educated knowledge worker friends who aren't particularly techie but who swear by Claude Cowork.
simonw 1 days ago [-]
By "established" I meant more that they now exist as products and are being first developed. I agree that most people still don't really understand what they are for - but I expect they already have way more exposure than Manus ever did.
primitivesuave 1 days ago [-]
My non-technical teammates use Claude Cowork extensively. We set up MCP servers to give them audited access to certain internal services, while they just have to think of MCP as a "connector" which they can configure in the GUI.
throw03172019 1 days ago [-]
My accountant friend says it’s amazing (he does check the work but says it’s amazingly accurate).
grey-area 1 days ago [-]
This is deeply troubling.
ashdksnndck 1 days ago [-]
Maybe for the accountants! I have always done my own taxes, but used arcane custom spreadsheets that accumulated cruft each year. I told cowork to pretend it was an accountant and reorganize them using best practices, and the result is much better than what I had before. It also helped me complete a task I had been deferring for years (tracking down the history of money in my IRAs that had been transferred between different institutions, plus withdrawals conversions etc). Obviously I’m responsible for any errors Claude makes, but it seems to do a good job, and I don’t want to pay an accountant every year.
SOLAR_FIELDS 20 hours ago [-]
I’ve been having Claude do my business books for the past year or so, operating on a beancount ledger and it’s worked quite well
ldng 22 hours ago [-]
Indeed, what could possibly go wrong ?
hluska 21 hours ago [-]
Considering that broken Excel formulas have killed off companies, the risk has already been priced in.
ldng 21 hours ago [-]
We'll see, crash will tell.
hluska 21 hours ago [-]
What’s troubling about it? Accounting is a huge space; many of which would be an excellent fit for an LLM. We’ll need specifics.
gamblor956 23 hours ago [-]
As a counterpoint, the Accounting and Finance departments where I work are banned from using Cowork because it performed abysmally during a trial run.
To put things in perspective, humans with a 25% lower error rate than Cowork are pip'd and usually let go.
As with junior programmers and their love of vibe coding, I've found that anyone who thinks that AI tooling right now is "amazing" lacks the skills, knowledge, and/or experience to know that it really isn't.
hluska 21 hours ago [-]
Your anecdote is not powerful enough to justify insulting groups of people like you just did.
brazukadev 9 hours ago [-]
who took insults from his reply?
gamblor956 15 hours ago [-]
LOL. Outside of tech my "anecdote" is the standard experience for white collar workers. AI is universally loved by people too junior to understand when its wrong, and by execs who never understand when its wrong.
This will be like Web 2.0 and Web 3.0 all over again, and all the AI sycophants will be coming to the rest of us begging for new jobs that they're not qualified for.
ericfr11 18 hours ago [-]
I guess your bubble is limited. Maybe you know that already?
extr 20 hours ago [-]
Manus did a lot of harness work to make up for gaps in Opus 4.5 tier models. I tried it for a time - they had a great deep research/PDF generation pipeline, parallelization, etc. The bitter lesson has now come for them: the latest models no longer have these gaps and the entire premise of having a unique product focus on this area is no longer relevant. Even Ant/OAI have let their "Deep Research" capabilities fall by the wayside, you can largely get the same result by asking for subagents or simply "keep going" style prompting.
meric_ 1 days ago [-]
IMO I disagree. I find the built in harness (database, browser use, etc.) quite good.
The only downside (and a big one) is that by not being natively offered by OpenAI, Anthropic, etc. you're paying @ API billing and not plan billing, which makes it less appealing. (Of course Manus has a wrapper around this w some token system, but it ends up being expensive)
trouve_search 1 days ago [-]
Interesting, what does your tasks & workflow look like with them?
I generally found the quality decent (say, similar to other competitors), but the speed of task completion was very slow. I think because they would depend too much on Sonnet as a core backend, and relied on big/expensive models more than other harnesses.
adamhepner 11 hours ago [-]
I like it and use it regularly. Maybe I don't get other harnesses, but in my experience Manus gets shit done, whereas I have to constantly babysit other tools.
alansaber 1 days ago [-]
Valuations are significantly leveraged compared to actual user metrics. My impression of Manus was that, like Perplexity, some users were using it to get around firewalls/regulation.
potato66 1 days ago [-]
I use it alot. It's great for like researching deep on a topic. I also accidentally found that it's better at taking my directions and transferring that well to image generation especially with iteration. When I try my own iterations directly it never really lands
jatins 1 days ago [-]
I found there Deep Research quite good in terms of browsing the web, better than Gemini's. Though it blew through ~40$ in one task so it was very expensive, probably running at insane margins.
jrflowers 22 hours ago [-]
What was the task that cost $40?
SpyCoder77 18 hours ago [-]
I use it for when I am on my iPad and am not at my computer. It is very good for computer use. That along with Minimax agent.
choutianxius 20 hours ago [-]
In my experience, Manus is a very capable agent for daily non-coding tasks. Their cron job ability also shined out
thm 1 days ago [-]
Too expensive & unpredictable credit system.
nylonstrung 22 hours ago [-]
This has to be one of the most flash in the pan, 5 minutes of fame company in a long time
It's crazy how short it's hype cycle lasted
econ 1 days ago [-]
Perhaps unfairly my interest suddenly dropped to zero when the acquisition was announced. The hype also seemed gone?
iamcoder18 1 days ago [-]
Absolutely. Haven't heard anyone talk about recently.
willdr 19 hours ago [-]
What does this product do? There's absolutely nothing on the main screen of the app except a chat box.
nikanj 19 hours ago [-]
Money. They have AI on the pitch deck and therefore make obscure amounts of money.
rasheed106 12 hours ago [-]
Puzzling that Meta didn't see this one coming. Wonder if there was a break up fee.
stephantul 1 days ago [-]
Anyone have info on whose regulatory restrictions they are referring to?
galaxy_quest 1 days ago [-]
The Chinese government blocked Meta’s acquisition.
The Chinese government may not be a bastion of the rule of law, but they at least seem to still have a functioning antitrust enforcement.
loeg 1 days ago [-]
This had nothing to do with antitrust.
AndrewKemendo 23 hours ago [-]
What does it have to do with?
MaxPock 22 hours ago [-]
It stops Singapore washing.
nutjob2 23 hours ago [-]
Stopping Chinese nationals from freeing assets and funds from the grip of the Chinese government.
fg137 21 hours ago [-]
Interesting to know that Meta has business in China and needs the government's approval.
United857 21 hours ago [-]
About 10% of Meta's ad revenue comes from Chinese companies reaching a international audience. They also manufacture most of their wearable devices in China.
Eridrus 20 hours ago [-]
This was pressure on the founders and the fact that they have their families effectively hostage, not on Meta.
kristianc 1 days ago [-]
Almost certainly Chinese national-security and technology-transfer restrictions around strategic AI tech. China’s NDRC formally prohibited the acquisition and ordered the transaction unwound.
nsonha 9 hours ago [-]
What is "strategic AI" in Manus? Not like they make models.
rangestransform 1 days ago [-]
China prevented the founders from leaving the country
minraws 1 days ago [-]
I think they were talking about the part,
> As part of our transition back to independent operations and to comply with regulatory requirements in specific jurisdictions, data generated by certain users on/after December 29, 2025, will be deleted from 8:00 a.m. on August 23 through August 24, 2026 (SGT). Affected users will be able to back up their data from now until 7:59 a.m. on August 23, 2026 (SGT) and restore it starting from 8:00 a.m. on August 25, 2026 (SGT).
moralestapia 1 days ago [-]
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minraws 1 days ago [-]
I would guess EU? Technically a bunch of countries don't allow data to be with Manus aka Chinese cloud services.
For instance, India has quite literally banned Alibaba Cloud and related.
just to be clear, they did this to make sure they follow the governments order instead of running away to Singapore and going on with the acquisition. they will most likely get released when the unwinding process is complete. its not a general national security thing where AI founders cant leave the country.
TheGamerUncle 1 days ago [-]
This is an awfully naive view of the Chinese government, they are clearly not stupid and after seeing what Meta did with thing with Outlier it is clear they will not let the founders out of their grip for quite a while
gloryjulio 20 hours ago [-]
It actually is. For example, Deepseek higher ups already had similar implications in the Chinese underground news. CCP has great control over the corporations.
loeg 1 days ago [-]
Why guess? This is trivially Googleable information.
hluska 21 hours ago [-]
Then google it and post it. This is useless.
DrewADesign 19 hours ago [-]
I don’t actually care about this flash-in-the-pan company, but the name Manus is the reason startups should have a branding designer or branding agency do branding work before they’re too recognizable to change without throwing people off, but not large enough for anyone to learn about it organically (e.g. Meta, X). I can’t help but read it like ‘anus’ with an M in front of it.
People on the technical side of the business often insist people don’t care things like that, but when non-technical people are looking at a few services that seem roughly equivalent to them, even subconsciously, appeal plays a big role. And M’Anus is not appealing.
The fantasy that you’re building something so useful it will sell itself is magical thinking. Yet another reason AI will never replace designers— just screw up the job market for them.
frankacter 14 hours ago [-]
> I can’t help but read it like ‘anus’ with an M in front of it.
Duck Duck Go is really what's wrong with modern dating culture.
DrewADesign 4 hours ago [-]
If Manus was as common a word as Duck, it would read pretty differently.
capten 1 days ago [-]
I expect this decupling will affect certain users. Can certain users speak up about this? I'm certain that certain users use Manus and are users on this certain site.
dgellow 1 days ago [-]
Likely a bad translation from the original Chinese version?
That being said it’s the first time I see Manus, they seem to have the perfect AI startup tagline for a new season of HBO’s Silicon Valley:
“Our Mission - To extend human reach by giving everyone the code to leverage their life. Our Product - We build general AI agents as the Action Engine for life.”
Shank 10 hours ago [-]
> Likely a bad translation from the original Chinese version?
No, most likely they're referring to users who created accounts etc on the meta infrastructure which is being spun down and erased and accounts created prior were never in their purview.
fitzgera1d 22 hours ago [-]
Switched to avi.run already. But loved Manus initially.
adamhepner 11 hours ago [-]
It looks interesting, but to be honest - when I wanted to connect Google apps I got warned that the developer is not verified. That's a bad look.
fitzgera1d 3 hours ago [-]
Got a notice they're in the Google Review process and getting a CASA. Takes forever because you have to hire a third party firm for several thousand...
bossyTeacher 20 hours ago [-]
I bet Demis wishes the UK had blocked the DeepMind acquisition by Google. He will have a lot of time to think now that he has been kicked out of his own company
I found it worse than alternatives in the similar space (Claude, genspark, kagi research, etc.) and slightly baffling they were being acquired at a $2B valuation in the first place.
I have 15+ years of top 1 percentile knowledge using awk to process complex unstructured documents - and I don't even bother anymore - just dump the dataset into CoWork and ask it to do the analysis, cross check its work.
I did it last night during a call for a reasonably complex 10,000 node cluster with all sorts of jobs/allocations/memory constraints. I didn't even attempt to throw together a quick awk script (which would have taken me 7-8 minutes - it was a beast) - just did a nomad-job-inspect of a couple hundred jobs, and dumped all the data at CoWork (real time, while talking on the zoom) and said, "Get me the Memory/CPU requirements based on job/datacenter/SKU constraints and give me a summary Table".
Any normal person would have take 3-4 hours, minimum - futzing with google sheets and such (lots of task/taskgroup independent counts). Even I would have taken a minimum of 10 minutes. Cowork had it for me in under 30 seconds - I didn't even have to really look away from the zoom.
I haven't use the Atlassian Jira interface to manage my sprints/issues in 6+ weeks. All that cognitive drain is gone - I just ask CoWork to update the sprints, link issues to change-notices, comment and change status, set epics, etc... Zero need to find the damn field in Jira.
CoWork is legit.
For what kind of message are you seeing that kind of charge?
I might be out by a factor of 2/3 (automatically applied promo deals/credits make it very hard to be sure), but we get 3k messages per month for a seat count of ~60, and finance are concerned about cost.
$2 is probably a good deal for the Extra High 8 minutes of agentic searching/coding/etc when it one-shots a whole project.
$2 is a terrible deal for a 5 second instant retrieval.
sama was the CEO of YC. OpenAI knows the value of influencing the sentiment here and then naturally its competition too.
I have lots of highly-educated knowledge worker friends who aren't particularly techie but who swear by Claude Cowork.
To put things in perspective, humans with a 25% lower error rate than Cowork are pip'd and usually let go.
As with junior programmers and their love of vibe coding, I've found that anyone who thinks that AI tooling right now is "amazing" lacks the skills, knowledge, and/or experience to know that it really isn't.
This will be like Web 2.0 and Web 3.0 all over again, and all the AI sycophants will be coming to the rest of us begging for new jobs that they're not qualified for.
The only downside (and a big one) is that by not being natively offered by OpenAI, Anthropic, etc. you're paying @ API billing and not plan billing, which makes it less appealing. (Of course Manus has a wrapper around this w some token system, but it ends up being expensive)
I generally found the quality decent (say, similar to other competitors), but the speed of task completion was very slow. I think because they would depend too much on Sonnet as a core backend, and relied on big/expensive models more than other harnesses.
It's crazy how short it's hype cycle lasted
https://archive.is/yFCIt
> As part of our transition back to independent operations and to comply with regulatory requirements in specific jurisdictions, data generated by certain users on/after December 29, 2025, will be deleted from 8:00 a.m. on August 23 through August 24, 2026 (SGT). Affected users will be able to back up their data from now until 7:59 a.m. on August 23, 2026 (SGT) and restore it starting from 8:00 a.m. on August 25, 2026 (SGT).
For instance, India has quite literally banned Alibaba Cloud and related.
People on the technical side of the business often insist people don’t care things like that, but when non-technical people are looking at a few services that seem roughly equivalent to them, even subconsciously, appeal plays a big role. And M’Anus is not appealing.
The fantasy that you’re building something so useful it will sell itself is magical thinking. Yet another reason AI will never replace designers— just screw up the job market for them.
Duck Duck Go is really what's wrong with modern dating culture.
That being said it’s the first time I see Manus, they seem to have the perfect AI startup tagline for a new season of HBO’s Silicon Valley:
“Our Mission - To extend human reach by giving everyone the code to leverage their life. Our Product - We build general AI agents as the Action Engine for life.”
No, most likely they're referring to users who created accounts etc on the meta infrastructure which is being spun down and erased and accounts created prior were never in their purview.